For some time now there’s been a significant debate raging with regard to Christians, the arts and cultural engagement. It seemed the Christian Hip Hop world might tear itself apart over whether those involved are primarily “Christian artists” or “artists who are Christians.” Associated with that question is the perennial question of whether or how to “engage the culture” for Christ.

You can find the usual camps. There are those who argue for a fuller engagement with the culture with requisite innovation in order to do it effectively. There are those who argue for distinction from the culture with the requisite abstention from certain forms and practices. And there are a good number of folks somewhere in the middle, somewhere between immersion and isolation.

As a pastor, I’m really interested in that third group. It seems to me that’s the group, the so-called moderates, who will tip the tide. Often this is the group that has thought least about the issues and therefore are most susceptible to snap judgments, over-reactions and being carried away with bad ideas. I put myself in this group. You can call me “Malcolm in the middle.”

But this group in the middle is also the group that stands to gain the most when those in the arts do what they do well. And by “do what they do well” I have in mind representing Christ, the gospel, the church, and themselves as artists with an excellence befitting all four callings.

“As a pastor, I’m really interested in that third group.”

Now, to be clear, I think the debate thus far has focused on the wrong sorts of questions. A lot of pixels have been posted on whether Christians should be engaged in the culture. Of course they should. To be human is to be ensconced in a cultural milieu and to be busily producing more of it. A lot of effort has gone into debating whether artists should bear evangelistic witness in secular settings. Of course they should. That’s simply a Christian artist’s Matthew 28 responsibility to go into all the world. And there’s been a fair amount of exchange about whether it’s possible or good for Christian artists to produce art that is not explicitly evangelistic. Of course it’s possible and good. Excellent art bears witness to the majesty of God even if it doesn’t bear direct witness to the glory of the cross.

The real question for me as I watch interviews and read exchanges is this: But how? In what way should a Christian artist (the term I prefer, which I hope to justify shortly) involve herself in the production of cultural works, conduct himself in the so-called “secular” spheres or art, and bear witness generally and specifically to the majesty and redemption of God? How can one do that with full integrity as Christian, church member, artist, and human being?

Without a clear methodology we’re always going to feel vulnerable in our theology. I wonder if much of the theologizing over the questions isn’t symptomatic of uncertain praxis, methods not yet consistently linked to sound doctrine. When we’re done with theologizing we’re still left asking, “But how?” So, this isn’t a theology of cultural engagement. It’s a very rough sketch on a very simple “how to” level for how we might live out our callings in “secular” settings. As a pastor, I hope it applies to everyone, not just Christian artists.

So here goes. Five friendly, simple pastoral suggestions:

1. Beware giving friendly nods.

I sit on a lot of panels and I sometimes find myself politely nodding when, in fact, I don’t agree with what’s being said. It’s a nervous tick. The body needs to move while I’m trying to listen closely. A lot of times I then get to share my position, which makes clear that by nodding I’m not agreeing as much as I’m being polite. But the problem comes when the conversation moves on too quickly, and I don’t get a chance to clarify. Or I forget to clarify. Then my nodding looks like an affirmation! And if I’m nodding at the wrong things I’m misleading people. My entire appearance risks becoming an endorsement of things I reject.

Here’s what I’ve learned to do: lean in, smile slightly, and keep my head still. Two things usually happen: the person speaking has to pause to ask what I think and those watching who know me normally suspect I’m not agreeing because I’m not nodding. If you’re a Christian inhabiting “secular” space, stiffen your neck a little and avoid the bobble head. You will serve your viewers and get more opportunities to state your own position.

2. Finish the thought.

Once you move from the Christian bubble into the wider world, you have to keep in mind that “Christianese”—that jargon and language we use inside the Christian world—no longer communicates as readily. Folks don’t know what you mean by “gospel,” “grace,” or even “sinner.” So you can’t use those in-group terms as shorthand the way you would in the church. Saying “I’m a sinner, too” is misleading when your host wants you to minimize sin while you want to maximize redemption. You have to finish the thought. You have to say, “Though I sin, my sins are forgiven and paid for by Jesus Christ.” Or, you have to say, “We’re all sinners, but some of us have been redeemed through faith in Christ.” If you want to communicate the fact that you sin every day, do so in a way that also makes it clear that Christ’s blood cleanses you every day and His righteousness adorns you every day.

Don’t be comfortable with incomplete thoughts, Christian jargon or assuming you and your unbelieving counterpart mean the same thing when you use the same words. Many of you are wordsmiths. Before you appear on the show, think through pithy answers that convey full thoughts. Then you’ll be bearing witness without being overbearing.

3. Remember: You can’t follow Jesus at a distance

One disciple tried that when our Lord was arrested. He found himself warming himself by the fire with those who arrested and crucified the Lord.

“We’re all sinners, but some of us have been redeemed through faith in Christ.”

We’re meant to follow Jesus closely, which means our association and loyalty has to be known unmistakable. Again, a lot of this comes down to good non-verbal communication and expressing complete thoughts. For example, don’t laugh or scowl when those around you engage in coarse joking. A sober “That’s not funny” will do, especially if the joke is at the expense of our sisters. And remember that “but” is a magic word; it erases everything that comes before it. So avoid sentences like, “I’m a Christian, but…” You’re about to at least moderate and possibly invalidate the claim to be a Christian. Flip it. Say something like, “I don’t harshly condemn people for their sins, but I am a Christian.” Or, better yet, just say, “I am a Christian,” then complete the thought with, “and that means….” Take every natural and legitimate opportunity to affirm your loyalty to the Lord without excusing it. Which brings me to my next suggestion.

4. Don’t cheat on the bride.

Sometimes it’s tempting to put distance between ourselves and the church. It’s tempting to accept the world’s criticisms of the church—after all, we know the church has her problems. But when we side with the world’s criticism—even with a misleading head nod—we appear to be dumping the bride for the world. Many of us are married and we would never criticize our wives or allow others to criticize her. We protect and honor our wives. If we have siblings, we would not likely allow people to gang up on them. We would step in to fight with our brother or sister.

So it ought to be with the bride of Christ. We want the world to not only know our affection for Christ but also our love for His bride, the body, our brothers and sisters in Christ. This means we have to embrace the church with all her faults. We have to embrace the inconveniences she causes and work to better her reputation. We can’t strengthen her reputation if we’re signaling our distance from her. That might help my individual standing and endear people to me, but it won’t actually help people draw near to Christ, which necessarily means taking their place in the church. If the host says something critical of the church that you agree with, then nod and say, “We do have that problem.” Identify yourself with the church; accept the reproach as your own. It’s the only honest way for us to respond since, in fact, we are part of the church and we are part of the church’s problem. So, identify with the bride, then finish the thought with “This is how Christ….”

5. Accept the fence.

A lot of the debate has to do with our identity. Which comes first: artist or Christ? How you answer that determines where your fence posts are staked. It determines how we view ourselves and what we permit ourselves to do or think. Here’s why I prefer the term “Christian artist.” It frontloads our identity as Christians. I am Christ’s and He is mine. And where that’s uppermost in my thoughts (and I wish it was always uppermost in my thoughts) then I’m more likely to have my intellectual and artistic fences in the right places.

Again, I understand why the label “Christian artist” can be and feel inconvenient. In the art world “Christian” can be a synonym for “cheesy” or it can suggest that only churchy issues are addressed in your art. There may be a lot to overcome to redeem the title. But isn’t that precisely why we’re in the world? We want people to become Christians. We want them to be serious disciples. So, we want converts to wear that tag gladly. But if those of us who bear the name do so hesitantly and distance ourselves from “Christian,” we do little to disabuse people of their prejudices and we may break in their minds the link between our excellence and Christ’s grace and glory. It seems to me the better work is to embrace and redeem the term “Christian artist” by putting forth a level of excellence that cannot be denied and therefore must be attributed to Christ and His grace.

Being an “artist who is a Christian” may create more space and access for individual artists (which is not a bad thing), but I wonder if it bears witness for Christ and the church as it ought. Shouldn’t we rejoice to be counted worthy to suffer for the name? And I wonder if “artist who is a Christian” isn’t putting too much stock in our art or ourselves as artists. As Phil Ryken put it, “Art is always tempted to glory in itself.” He continues, “The problem is that artistry easily becomes idolatry, and when this happens, art is seen to exist only for its own sake and not for any higher purpose…it is the best things in life that threaten to steal our worship, and art is such a wonderful gift that those who love it sometimes forget to praise its Giver.”

That should never be true for the Christian artist—even when they’re legitimately dealing with “non-Christian themes.” We need to avoid the temptation to exalt our art or artistry—whether we’re pastors who write, visual artists, poets, or singers and rappers. We should address “non-Christian themes” or produce art that isn’t explicitly “evangelistic,” but we should do that from a distinctively Christian point of view as worship of God the Greatest Artist. We may be helped to faithfully apply that point of view if we allow ourselves to be fenced in by the phrase “Christian artist.”


These are five simple suggestions from a brother friendly to the effort to take Christ where He is not worshipped, including the artistic world. Sisters and brothers, let us avoid nodding, finish our thoughts, follow Jesus closely, protect the bride, and embrace the fences. I suspect that doing these five things (and others) will keep us tightly tethered to the church and faithfully engaging with people who are not yet Christians. We’re called to both, which is a balance perhaps most difficult for artists to maintain since most of the evangelical church world has such a deficient view of the arts and the artist’s vocation. Those artists who keep the balance will not only be faithful themselves, they’ll be helping all us “Malcolms in the middle” be more faithful in our thinking and support, too.

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Thabiti M Anyabwile

Thabiti M Anyabwile

Thabiti is one of the pastors of Anacostia River Church in Washington, DC and the president of The Crete Collective. He is the author of several books and as an introvert enjoys quiet things at home.


  • Avatar Humble_guy says:

    Great article!! I find all of these suggestions applicable to every Christian engaging the secular culture. Whether it be corporate America, a pick up game of Basketball, or at the Barber Shop, Christians encounter people with unfavorable opinions about Christians and the church. If you talk with these individuals, the temptation to shy away from association with “those church folk” is real. Or you may find it very awkward and difficult as you listen to avoid giving nods as they express opposing views. I found myself especially being aware of my head nods while listening to views I disagree with.

    This article offers great suggestions not only to Christian artists or artists who are Christian, but to all who desire to carry out Matt. 28.

    Thanks Thabiti

  • Avatar Thabiti Anyabwile says:

    Thanks for joining us on The Porch and spurring the conversation! The Lord bless and keep you today as you point to Him!

  • Avatar Tony Carter says:

    Brother, all I can say is “Bon!” Love and truth married together in an excellent pastoral exhortation. Thanks for the example.

  • Avatar Joshua Servanthood says:

    I agree with the other brothers, this was a very clear and practical article. I can appreciate the way that Thabiti approached this issue of addressing our as a whole not just as artists. Fortunately, we do have biblical accounts that do illustrate how to engage our culture by standing on our convictions while also refusing to compromise for approval from the world.

    I heard a sermon “Cooperation without Compromise” by Pastor Alistair Begg, which helped show how Daniel and his friends engaged their culture while being faithful to the God of thier salvation ( Oftentimes, we fall within one of the two camps, either totally absorbed by our culture or fighting against it with all our strength. But, Christ didn’t call us to either of these camps, nor did He fall into them. He told us to get on the narrow and difficult road, which says,”yes” to somethings and “no” to others (Matt. 7:13-14; John 17:12-18).

    I thank you brothers on the front porch for having these types of discussions, because they are needful and edifying to us all.


  • Avatar Tabulous says:


    This was a good read. Let me go on record as saying I listen to Christian Hip Hop 99% of them time when I listen to music. I love it!!!! I have found myself defending the goodness of CHH to Christians that think it’s the devil’s music on more than one occasion. The 5 suggestions you give are good ones and are useful for any Christian that wishes to engage the culture. Now, for suggestion #5… I share your preference for folks to go by “I’m a Christian artist” and you provide excellent reasons for this preference. It kinda adds a sense of boldness. However, I’m not hatin’ on those that go by “I’m an artist that is Christian”. If I am a computer programmer I advertise my services as a computer programmer as opposed to a Christian computer programmer in most cases. The same would be true for most professions held by a Christian. So, I can understand why some in the CHH game would go with the “I’m an artist that is Christian” given the fact that most of the Christian world would never even consider going that far for fear that they would never get a job. Some may feel that an unrealistic expectation is being place upon them by the non-artist… one that the non-artist would not place on them self. Just a “random thought” (shout out to Shai Linne).

    To God be the Glory!

  • Avatar Thabiti Anyabwile says:

    Thanks bro!

  • Avatar Warner Aldridge says:

    A hearty AMEN

  • Avatar rsmith says:

    Great article well written. I deal with this topic a lot. I did a blog called the Jesus Hustler and it touched on some of the things mentioned.

  • Avatar rsmith says:

    Just curious about the Christian artist as a profession, they would be considered a entertainer more than a minister of the Gospel if they are looking to get paid. My question is would it not make sense to call yourself a christian artist because most of the clientele are other Christians. The world is not hiring Christian artist to sing or rap the praises of Jesus to them when they hate Jesus from the beggining. Just a thought.

  • Avatar Alex Hoder says:

    Great article, but I do have one question. If you say you are “Christian artist,” aren’t you using “Christian” as an adjective to describe the noun “artist”? To me, “Christian artist” makes it sound as if you’re an artist first who then Christianizes all his work. If we want Christ to be our main identity, I feel like “Christian who is an artist” or “artistic Christian” would be more appropriate. I do admit that “Christian who is an artist/rapper/filmmaker” would be way too clumsy for actual use, and would only be helpful for artists like myself in understanding how their identity relates to their art and culture. I wouldn’t use it with someone not involved in the arts.

    Great warnings for artists though who tend to be turned off by and stray from the church. Here’s a similar article I came across the other day directed at artists who have the opposite problem:

  • Avatar Tabulous says:

    Greeting rsmith,

    Thanks for the response. This is a profession for some of the artists. They produce music and charge a fee for their albums and/or shows. Personally, I do not see a problem with that. Then there are others that give their music away for free and invite you to support them financially if you desire to do so (e.g. Humble Beast… I love that Eshon B is on that label now).

    The distinction between entertainer vs. minister of the gospel… I would leave that up to the artist. In one sense all Christians should be ministers of the Gospel. In another sense, I am not a minister of the gospel in the same way that a pastor is. I have noticed that the public sometimes forces labels on the Christian Hip Hop artist expecting more from them than what the artist wants to be. So, some folks will say that the artist is a minister of the gospel in the same way a pastor is and get mad when their music is not “Christian enough”. I’m not sure if that is fair to the artist.

    Some artists intentionally do not use the label Christian Hip Hop artist because they want to market their music to the non-Christian community. I personally have no issue with this. Nor so I see it as selling out.

    To God be the Glory!

  • Avatar rsmith says:

    God bless, I understand what you are saying as this is a profession and I agree any profession should be compensated. That is why I said they are nothing more than entertainers. If you are charging a fee for your services as a christian artist that makes you no different than a secular artist. The bottom line is about making money. You said “Some artists intentionally do not use the label Christian Hip Hop artist because they want to market their music to the non-Christian community” That is fine, my concern is how can they market to people who do not care for Christ? They are not booking them in the clubs or other venues compared to their secular counterparts. Look at the Gospel/Christian concerts and 99% of people in the audience are Christians. So realistically, who is buying their music. Just an observation I have noticed. Nothing wrong with entertainment, we just confuse it with ministry.

  • Avatar Tabulous says:


    I think that the message that the CHH artist is promoting makes them different than a secular artist.

    As far as how can they market to non-Christians… let me answer a question with a question… how can a preacher preach to someone who is not Christian in a non-church environment? Easily I think. I have heard CHH artists give a reason why they market to the unsaved. In short, they want to to reach the unsaved with the saving message of Jesus Christ. I think that’s a great thing to do. I have seen a CHH artist give away music for free to a non-saved person just to expose the person to the gospel message. Case and point… Andy Mineo did it on a radio show (the picture used for this post was from that radio show).

    To God be the Glory!

  • Avatar William Wolfe says:

    Thank you, Thabiti! Number 2 (finish our thoughts) was particularly useful for me today as I prepare to go and preach at Central Union Mission in DC – an environment where the men will have little to no “christianese” in their vocabulary.

  • Avatar rsmith says:

    I think your choice of words are invalid. When you say market that is a business term to generate potential sales. We can’t market the gospel to non believers because one the gospel is not for sale and two they are not buying. That is great that the CHH artist gave some music to them because the gospel is free anyway. You are right the content of what is said between a secular and christian artist is different in that perspective but if they both use the same business model to get their message out, there is no difference. They both fall under the category of entertainer. A preacher will preach in a non-church environment which he is supposed to do anyway. Whether they listen to him is a different story. But he is doing the great commission as all of us are commissioned to do. Ministry is not a paid or hired gig. I saw the interview of this picture and what Andy Mineo did ministry came out of it but primarily he was there to promote and sell his album. Which is what any entertainer would do with a platform like that.

  • Avatar Tabulous says:

    Greetings rsmith,

    I would never ever recommend marketing the gospel. I agree with you 100% that the gospel should be given freely.

    As I stated earlier, I prefer the term Christian artist. I have no problems with it, but that is my preference. I was just saying that I have no issue with someone that wants to use another label that does not put Christian first… like an artist that is Christian.

    To God be the Glory!

  • Avatar Hassan (H) Muhammed says:

    Thabiti, thank you so much brother for this. This has helped me a great deal as well as challenged me.

  • Avatar Julian H says:

    Even those of us who aren’t in the arts can gain from this. Great stuff, brother.

  • Avatar TheCrusader918 says:

    Enjoyed the article. As a fellow believer, I believe that we, as Christians, are still ordered by Christ in the Great Commission, to go out and make disciples, teaching, evangelizing the Gospel to all. What is so wrong about Christian rappers staying true about this? It’s not about a legalistic view. I agree with Brinson’s view: if you’re not trying to win souls, then maybe you shouldn’t be in the Christian rap arena. Go over to the positive/secular side. It’s not about the money, the fan base, record sales, ticket sales and distribution deals…it’s about winning SOULS TO CHRIST. You can do that at a church, house, center, church corner or arena. I really desire and pray that all Christian rappers have the heart of God and continue to believe that it’s about getting people saved. God bless all.

  • Avatar Curt Kennedy says:

    Give em the book! Good article mayne!

  • Avatar Jennifer Williams says:

    Thank you for speaking truth into this subject. I love the guys who are rapping, it has been my prayer that God would speak into this Christian or artist first thing. The bible is so clear the we are a Christian first. This is our identity, Jesus gives us new life to live in Him, He is our joy and satisfaction. I am a Christian who happens to be a nurse. Honestly, my heart breaks every time I hear that I am a rapper who is a Christian, because I know these guys love Christ this is evident, but they are human nonetheless and we are all given to ideas that flow out of a world system. Thank you for going to the hard places in conversation.
    In Christ Alone,
    50 yr old Holy hip hop lover, To God Be the Glory!!!

  • Avatar Joe Foto says:

    Great article, because the #1 thing these ‘Artists’ don’t understand even though they deal with marketing on a regular basis; is MARKETING. The secular artist they associate with, are becoming more comfortable with using this to their advantage. Wearing more t-shirts, hats, and neckwear bearing the name of Christ–but are using foul language, misogyny, and prideful violent lyrics. And there they are behind them in the cypher smiling, laughing, and shaking their hands in a congratulatory way afterward. Could you imagine the prophets doing that? No.

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